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January 9, 2025

In the Arena: Jillian Tisdale

TRCP’s “In the Arena” series highlights the individual voices of hunters and anglers who, as Theodore Roosevelt so famously said, strive valiantly in the worthy cause of conservation.

Jillian Tisdale

Hometown: Born in Gainesville, Fla.; seven-year resident of the Florida Keys 
Occupation: Operations manager at Seven Mile Fly Shop
Conservation credentials: Tisdale is the Florida Keys outreach & engagement coordinator at Captains For Clean Water

A Florida native, Tisdale’s chief sporting passion lies with pursuing tarpon for the physical and mental challenge. She’s also known as an expert rigger and knot-tier who fishes for snook, bonefish, and other flats fish, and has hunted for turkeys and whitetail deer when she’s had the opportunity to spend time in the woods. Outside her regular job managing a fly shop in Marathon, where she is tightly embedded in the Florida Keys fly fishing community, Tisdale is an angler member of the Florida Keys Fishing Guides Association and Lower Keys Fishing Guides Association and focuses her energy on local conservation. She handles outreach throughout the Keys for TRCP partner organization Captains For Clean Water, helping address the need for Everglades restoration. She strives to restore and protect South Florida’s aquatic ecosystems to ensure that everyone can benefit from them.

Here is her story.

Photo Credit: Chad Huff

I grew up fishing occasionally with my father, for redfish in the Big Bend of Florida and bass in the lakes surrounding my hometown in north Florida. I began offshore fishing in the Gulf of Mexico when I was 18. When I was in my early twenties, my father was diagnosed with stage four small cell lung cancer. He passed away after a very short, harrowing battle.

This was a very sudden and difficult loss for me, as he was my biggest supporter and the person that I looked to for advice at every transition in my life. It was then that, thankfully, I was introduced to sight fishing and hunting, and I fully immersed myself in the outdoors. It was the outlet that I desperately needed to get through that time of my life and I clung to it. There was absolutely no looking back.

Photo Credit: Justin Moore

I’ve since been very blessed to hunt and fish in some of the most incredible places with some of the best outdoorsmen in the country. I remember hunting in north Alabama one morning. I had hiked through a bunch of flooded timbers to get to my tree stand well before sunrise. I watched the woods awaken with the sun, but the water below me was dead calm, reflecting every single thing above it so that I couldn’t even make out a horizon until a big buck came in chasing a doe, creating ripples in the water as far as I could see. I’d never felt so enveloped and vulnerable at the same time.

Also very memorable was catching my first tarpon on a fly. I’d spent a whole lot of time in the Everglades, conventional fishing and fly fishing, for redfish, tarpon, snook… zigging and zagging through mangrove tunnels and across massive open bays. After a couple of days targeting big, rolling tarpon deep in the Everglades, getting bite after bite and breaking every single one off, I finally got one to stick. I managed to clear the line without wrapping it around a hand or foot and learned very quickly exactly what I wanted to dedicate my time to for the foreseeable future.

Large tarpon are my favorite fish to target, so a trip to Gabon (on the west coast of Africa) is at the top of my bucket list. That being said, I live in one of the most diverse fisheries in the world, and it also happens to be home to plenty of big tarpon. I feel very fortunate to have the Everglades, Florida Bay, and the Florida Keys National Marine Sanctuary at my fingertips, which together are home to the largest seagrass meadow in the world.  While it is one of the most challenging places in the world to fly fish for bonefish, permit, and tarpon due to angler pressure and habitat loss, it is certainly the most rewarding for me and many other people.  Plus, the tarpon migration down here is second to none.

The intense love that I have developed for the Everglades… exists only because many people before me used their voice to advance Everglades restoration.”

Conservation is the only reason my passion for the outdoors is possible and will be the only reason I am able to continue fishing. The intense love that I have developed for the Everglades and the extraordinary fish that live there exists only because many people before me used their voice to advance Everglades restoration and defend those fish. As the saying goes, everything flows downstream – and with respect to the Everglades, that stream actually starts north of Lake Okeechobee, in the Kissimmee Chain of Lakes. The Everglades are home to hundreds of different fish and wildlife species (including alligators AND crocodiles) and it is the centerpiece of the largest hydrologic restoration project in the United States – the Comprehensive Everglades Reservation Plan (CERP) – which aims to restore historical flows from Lake O and send more clean water south through the “River of Grass,” to Florida Bay.

Photo Credit: Chad Huff

The state of Florida is suffering from a million paper cuts: overpopulation, nutrient runoff, red tides, the list is long. But I feel that Everglades restoration is one of the most important solutions to our water quality issues in South Florida. Currently, there is a power struggle over the operation of Lake Okeechobee. Special interests want to keep lake levels high to use the water at their discretion, resulting in high-volume discharges to the east and west, and cutting the Everglades system off from the clean freshwater that it needs to balance out high-salinity issues that cause massive seagrass die-offs and algae blooms. Returning the adequate flow of clean water south, the way it historically flowed, is paramount to preserve the habitats and ecosystems to east, west, and south that enable our fish and wildlife to flourish.

TAKE ACTION FOR EVERGLADES RESTORATION

Photo Credit: Alexandra McNeal

Utilization of natural resources for recreation and my livelihood bears with it an inherent responsibility – my responsibility to protect it. In my opinion, there is nothing more important than the water quality of the Everglades, Florida Bay, and Florida Keys National Marine Sanctuary. People come from all over the world to see the natural wonders surrounding the state of Florida. It is our responsibility to protect them, and that includes educating visitors and residents alike about the issues we are facing as well as the science-based solutions that are in place, so that everyone can use their voice to advocate for those solutions.

Photo Credit: Matt Hunsinger

The next generation of hunters and anglers have already proven to be even more educated and adamant about conservation than myself and prior generations. I admire their passion, and hope that they continue to fight with the tenacity they have today to protect the wild places that are left for the generations that follow us. 

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December 20, 2024

In The Arena: Taylor Sledge

TRCP’s “In the Arena” series highlights the individual voices of hunters and anglers who, as Theodore Roosevelt so famously said, strive valiantly in the worthy cause of conservation.

Taylor Sledge

Hometown: Ridgeland, Mississippi
Occupation: Business Owner / Financial Adviser
TRCP Role: Flyway Leadership Council member

Sledge has hunted in the far north for Dall sheep and fished the mouth of the Mississippi River. These diverse experiences in wild places have instilled a desire to help conserve wild places so his children and future generations might have the same experiences.

Here is his story.

Sledge with a beautiful Dall ram.

TRCP: How were you introduced to hunting, fishing, and the outdoors? Who introduced you? 

Sledge: I grew up being constantly taken into the woods and waters by my dad and both of my grandfathers. Hunting and fishing are certainly legacy items for me.

TRCP: Tell us about one of your most memorable outdoor adventures. 

Sledge: There are so many to come to mind, but one that sticks with me happened when I was about ten years old. My dad, my brother, and I were fishing at the mouth of South Pass, right where the Mississippi River meets the Gulf of Mexico. It was springtime, and the river was high, running cool and fast. I set the hook on a redfish, and just as I did, I stepped right off the edge of the boat and fell into the river. Lucky for me, I was wearing a life jacket. My dad pulled up the anchor, fired up the motor, and had to chase me down—I’d been swept a good ways by the current! When he finally got me back on the boat, still clutching my rod, I cranked the reel and found that fish was still on. A few minutes later, I brought it in, and we had fresh redfish and speckled trout for supper that night. By morning, my clothes were dry on the railing of our houseboat’s porch, and at sunrise, we went out and caught ‘em all over again.

Sledge and his son Solomon with a trophy crappie.

TRCP: How does conservation help enhance your outdoor life?  Why should conservation matter to the next generation?

Sledge:  I’m focused on stewardship. The outdoors are a gift, and we get to enjoy it every day. I’m about legacy. Being thoughtful of the environment, the species at hand, and the overall experience of being a conservationist gives me a more grand perspective on what we are leaving for other generations. Being a conservationist has given my life more meaning, and I want that for the people that come after me.

Conservation should matter to the next generation of hunters and anglers because we’re all meant to live alongside nature, not apart from it. That’s a truth that doesn’t change. Passing down our respect and love for the outdoors means teaching the next generation to carry this legacy with purpose. Even in a world that feels more artificial every day, nature has the final say—she’ll always have her way in the end.

Photo credits: Taylor Sledge


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December 17, 2024

In The Arena: Glenn Hughes

TRCP’s “In the Arena” series highlights the individual voices of hunters and anglers who, as Theodore Roosevelt so famously said, strive valiantly in the worthy cause of conservation.

Glenn Hughes

Hometown: Paoli, Pennsylvania
Occupation: President & CEO, American Sportfishing Association
TRCP Role: Board of Directors Member

Hughes has been fortunate to fish across America, from salmon rivers to the deep ocean for tuna. These experiences have helped shape his conservation ethic, one that makes him proud to Step Into the Arena with TRCP.

Here is his story.

Hughes with a dinosaur of a sturgeon.

TRCP: Why did you step into the arena of conservation with TRCP? Why is it important for you to be involved in conservation? 

Hughes: Conservation ensures that the natural resources supporting fishing, hunting, and outdoor recreation remain vibrant for future generations. Conserving habitats and clean waters not only sustains wildlife but also supports the economic and emotional well-being of communities tied to these activities.

TRCP: In your own words, tell us about two TRCP initiatives, past or present, that are important to you. Why? 

Hughes: TRCP’s work on ensuring public access to lands and waters is vital; it allows anglers like me to continue exploring the outdoors. Another key initiative is TRCP’s work on protecting menhaden and ensuring that commercial fishermen don’t obliterate this important forage fish.

TRCP: The TRCP Board is matching gifts this holiday season—what do hunters and anglers interested in donating to TRCP need to know?

Hughes: Donating during this campaign doubles your impact, directly supporting efforts to conserve habitats, improve public access, and promote sustainable outdoor recreation. Your contribution ensures that these critical initiatives can continue to benefit the broader outdoor community.   

Hughes shows off a nice Northeastern largemouth.

TRCP: How were you introduced to hunting, fishing, and the outdoors? Who introduced you? 

Hughes: I was introduced to the outdoors by my father, who took me and my four siblings fishing with a bobber, hook, and a worm at a young age at our family cabin on Fairview Lake in the Pocono Mountains. 

Conservation matters because it safeguards the future of the traditions we love. By taking action now, we ensure that future generations inherit the same—or better—opportunities to enjoy thriving fisheries, abundant wildlife, and access to public lands.

TRCP: Tell us about one of your most memorable outdoor adventures. 

Hughes: There are so many, it’s hard to pick one. From my first blue marlin in Bermuda, to catching a giant bluefin tuna off of Prince Edward Island, to fly fishing on the Kenai River in Alaska, I’ve been so blessed. Recently, I had the chance to fish with Representative Bruce Westerman, Chair of the House Natural Resources Committee, for red snapper in the Gulf of Mexico. We spent the day catching fish, talking conservation, and sharing fishing stories. Good times.

Hughes’ smile says it all as he lifts this monster striper.

TRCP: If you could hunt or fish anywhere, where would it be and why?

Hughes: I’ve been fortunate to fish in many of the most sought-after destinations in our country. Sometimes it’s not where you fish but who you fish with. I need to fish more with my son, Conor, and someday, with grandchildren wherever we can get out and enjoy the great outdoors. I’d also like to go fishing with Johnny Morris on his favorite bass fishing lake, wherever that is.

TRCP: How does conservation help enhance your outdoor life? 

Hughes: Conservation ensures that the ecosystems supporting our outdoor activities thrive, making every fishing trip more rewarding. It maintains the landscapes and watersheds that provide these adventures, enriching the experience and fostering a deeper connection to nature. When I’m outdoors, I’m happy.

TRCP: Why should conservation matter to the next generation of hunters and anglers?

Hughes: Conservation matters because it safeguards the future of the traditions we love. By taking action now, we ensure that future generations inherit the same—or better—opportunities to enjoy thriving fisheries, abundant wildlife, and access to public lands.

Photo credits: Glenn Hughes


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December 11, 2024

In The Arena: Ed Contreras

TRCP’s “In the Arena” series highlights the individual voices of hunters and anglers who, as Theodore Roosevelt so famously said, strive valiantly in the worthy cause of conservation.

Ed Contreras

Hometown: Sun Valley, California 
Occupation: Southern Oregon-Northeastern California Conservation Delivery Coordinator
Conservation Credentials: Ed Contreras is a biologist, hunter, angler and occasionally a cowboy who takes inspiration from living in the West and his family’s humble roots of living close to the land in Mexico. He works for the Intermountain West Joint Venture, a public-private conservation organization that focuses on bird habitat. He resides in Klamath Falls Oregon.

Contreras’ conservation work involves developing conservation programs and projects to assist private landowners as they steward water and land for wildlife in southern Oregon and northeastern California. He excels in connecting private landowners with a cadre of tools and people from state and federal agencies, as well as non-profits, to help meet their conservation goals and keep agricultural operations intact. Relationship building is at the heart of Contreras’ work, and he is known for his ability to bring people together to achieve conservation successes.  

Here is his story.

Contreras helps a neighbor rope calves for branding.

I did not grow up hunting, but I became obsessed with fishing in middle school and then fly fishing in high school. Fishing was a gateway for me, as it is for many adult-onset hunters, as it’s a less imposing activity for those new to hunting. My dad is from rural Mexico and hunting for subsistence was a part of his early life, but hunting for recreation within the framework employed by agencies to manage for sustainable populations was a foreign concept. The expense of hunting licenses, the myriad of rules, and living in urban southern California with no connections to other hunters, kept hunting out of my family. However, my dad’s stories of the adventure and chase of wild game in his youth instilled a passion in me for the outdoors. As a freshman at the University of Montana, I quickly made lifelong friends who grew up hunting, and I jumped into my hunting endeavors with both feet.  

My early exposure to my family’s rural and small-scale agriculture and forestry-based community in Jalisco, Mexico, fueled an incongruous interest in agriculture. My father’s family had a small herd of cows for both beef and dairy products and my grandfather, father, and uncles worked as cowboys and herdsmen for neighboring ranches. My brief visits to Mexico and my father’s childhood tales of encounters with jaguars and horse and cow wrecks when “things got western” captured my interest in rural life. This was a stark contrast from my day-to-day in the inner city of the San Fernando Valley.  

I eventually followed this trail and leveraged my limited experience but deep connection to my family’s agriculture legacy, into my first real job at 18 working for a wilderness outfitter in the Sierra Nevada’s of California. For the first summer, I was certainly the green kid from LA, but I sharpened my skills with long days in the mountains learning how to care and work with horses and mules and providing a safe and enjoyable wilderness experience for clients. Oddly enough, this job taught me just as much about working with people. After three summers, the summer gig cemented a childhood notion into a realization: that being outside and working with domestic stock and wildlife was something I could do for a paycheck and was exactly how I wanted to live my life. 

Contreras and Ivy with a day’s bag of pheasant and sharptails.

Today, my wife and I have our own horses and pack mule. We take a summer horse pack trip with our friends into a different Wilderness every year and we volunteer to pack-in trail crews and clear local trails with the U.S. Forest Service. On the weekends, we help our rancher friends move, doctor, and brand cows; we enjoy improving our stockmanship skills, and it gives our horses jobs. A newer activity in my life has been hunting with bird dogs. My first dog, a German Wirehaired Pointer, is now four years old, and despite being a novice bird dog owner/trainer, she is progressing to becoming a very useful bird dog and always-ready hunting partner. I now can’t picture myself without a bird dog in the future. 

My entry into a career in wildlife biology mirrors the other interests in my life. I combined many elements I care about to find the niche of private lands habitat conservation where I work closely with NGO’s, local watershed groups, and the Natural Resources Conservation Service.

When I started in this field 10 years ago, I served the role of a conservation project planner working with landowners to develop projects, execute funding agreements, and complete environmental compliance (like NEPA) required to implement habitat projects through Farm Bill programs like the Environmental Quality Incentives Program. Today, I do some conservation project planning, but I also inform program development, secure funding for habitat programs, and help boost conservation capacity by establishing new conservation positions to implement more projects on-the-ground. This has been especially critical since the signing of the Inflation Reduction Act in 2022, as the organization I work for has focused on helping make sure the pieces are in place to guide these funds into impactful projects. We do this by sharing new science and science tools with our partners to develop science-based habitat conservation strategies and monitor the ecological benefit of projects. 

I hope other hunters can join me in learning about and appreciating the value private land, agriculture, and wonky government programs have for our ability to hunt and fish.

I’d be remiss not to highlight the importance of public lands for waterbird habitat in Southern Oregon and Northeastern California, including the National Wildlife Refuges protected by President Theodore Roosevelt in the Klamath Basin. Public wetlands that hunters and birders cherish have suffered due to their low priority in water allocations. However, their importance to the overall ecologic function of the Klamath Basin and Pacific Flyway have become more apparent during recent droughts.

Collaborative discussions between agencies, irrigators, and tribes are working towards innovative solutions to water on National Wildlife Refuges.  Although irrigated agriculture also faces water security challenges, private lands often provide more stable wetland habitat in this region. Supporting Farm Bill programs that keep agricultural producers in business—and sustaining wetland habitat through flood irrigation practices—is key to sustaining waterfowl in the Pacific Flyway. Large federal funding packages like the Bipartisan Infrastructure Law and the Inflation Reduction Act can be hugely helpful in leveraging Farm Bill dollars to invest in projects that bolster wildlife habitat that hunters directly benefit from. 

Contreras inspecting some cattail mowing in the Yakama Valley.

All of these programs can be made more successful by combining the local knowledge of landowners/managers and biologists with new spatial data tools like the Wetland Evaluation Tool, which shows where more resilient wetland habitat exists on the landscape, or the Working Wetlands Explorer, which shows where flood-irrigated grass hay practices are contributing to important wetland habitat. Strategic conservation planning using these tools better informs where American taxpayer dollars are spent on both private and public lands and ensures that we are protecting habitat that can provide the maximum benefit to wildlife. 

My most memorable hunts in the Klamath Basin are spring goose hunts for white-fronted geese. The sound of air rushing against feather and the brassy-sounding calls in the center of a vortex of hundreds of speckle bellies is an awesome experience. The bag limit of white-fronted geese in this area is 10 birds and it fills a freezer with the best meat of any waterfowl species. Large flocks of white-fronted geese make intensive use of private lands in the spring, especially in short-grazed pastures and early spring-planted crops near water. For this reason, access for hunters can be a challenge but many landowners welcome hunting as a way to deter geese depredation of forage and grain crops. 

I hope other hunters can join me in learning about and appreciating the value private land, agriculture, and wonky government programs have for our ability to hunt and fish. Water in the West is precious and there’s less and less of it to go around. That’s not going to change anytime soon so we should all try to work together to stretch every drop. 

Photo credits: Ed Contreras


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December 6, 2024

In the Arena: Alston Watt

TRCP’s “In the Arena” series highlights the individual voices of hunters and anglers who, as Theodore Roosevelt so famously said, strive valiantly in the worthy cause of conservation.

Alston Watt

Hometown: Thomasville, Georgia 
Occupation: Director, Williams Family Foundation of Georgia
TRCP Role: Board of Directors member and Board Chair

Since her first, cold sit in a duck blind with her grandfather, Alston Watt has traveled across America experiencing the wild places our country has to offer. A lifetime in the outdoors has helped Watt form a strong conservation ethic that she hopes to pass on to her grandchildren.

Here is her story.

Watt with a beautiful Dolly Varden.

TRCP: Why did you step into the arena of conservation with TRCP? Why is it important for you to be involved in conservation? 

Watt: The outdoors has always been my family’s “living room.”  I still remember my excitement and anticipation when I was FINALLY old enough to be invited to sit in a duck blind beside my grandfather.  Since that day, I’ve joined five generations of my family hunting and fishing across America.  

My passion for conservation was truly ignited when I was able to take my sons hunting and fishing.  We spent our winters wing shooting in the South Georgia woods and our summer vacations discovering unique fisheries in all 50 states.   It was during those memorable times when I recognized that stewardship and preservation of the North American Model of Conservation is not a choice, but an imperative.  With its unique mission to guarantee all Americans quality places to hunt and fish through convening, aligning, and amplifying the voices of sportsmen and sportswomen, TRCP seems to be the best place to deploy my resources and talents to ensure my grandchildren can enjoy the outdoors in the same ways I have. 

TRCP: In your own words, tell us about two TRCP initiatives, past or present, that are important to you. Why? 

Watt: TRCP’s work to conserve the Bristol Bay fishery by stopping the development of the Pebble Mine has been a top issue for me. Bristol Bay is the leading source of wild sockeye salmon and one of the “last wild places.” My family has had the deep honor to go fishing there, but it’s not only a sportsman’s paradise, it’s an important source for subsistence fishing and eco-tourism for Alaska Natives.  Defending Bristol Bay from the catastrophic incursion of mining interests is in the nation’s interest.  It pleases me that TRCP helped align our partners to successfully safeguard Bristol Bay. 

I am also proud of TRCP’s work on the Modernizing Access to our Public Lands Act (MAPLand Act), as it unlocks more opportunities for hunters and anglers to get outdoors to hunt and fish confidently.  Public land access is particularly important to the 80% of Americans that live in urban areas and have no access to private land. 

Watt (right) admires her freshly caught native Alaskan rainbow.

TRCP: How were you introduced to hunting, fishing, and the outdoors? Who introduced you? 

Watt: My grandfather introduced me to hunting.  I believe that the coldest I have ever been in my entire life was in his duck blind for the first time. But I was not about to complain—I just knew that I was part of something very special. 

My husband introduced me to fishing on our honeymoon….and I was HOOKED.  Fishing can take you to some of the most beautiful and majestic places. If I only had one more opportunity to fish, I would spend the day on the Lower American in Kenai National Park, Alaska.  It truly is one of the most spectacular rivers in our country. 

With its unique mission to guarantee all Americans quality places to hunt and fish through convening, aligning, and amplifying the voices of sportsmen and sportswomen, TRCP seems to be the best place to deploy my resources and talents to ensure my grandchildren can enjoy the outdoors in the same ways I have. 

TRCP: Tell us about one of your most memorable outdoor adventures. 

Watt: In almost 60 years of life, I had never shot a mammal. I’ve joined my son in the deer stand to watch him hunt, but I have never pulled the trigger.  That all changed last year when I was invited on an elk hunt in Colorado.  For three days we stalked the elk: hearing the mystical bugle, smelling their musk, and following their true majesty.  I was amazed how a herd could just disappear like smoke into the forest.  On the third day, just before dark, a bull came into my scope.  One shot and he was down.  I will never forget the awe, respect, and gratitude I felt for the elk, the opportunity, and the nourishment that elk is still providing for my family. 

Watt (left) with her first big game animal: a Rocky Mountain elk.

TRCP: How does conservation help enhance your outdoor life? 

Watt: Conservation ensures that land and game species are managed successfully into the future, which is important to me because I want my grandchildren and their grandchildren to enjoy the hunting and fishing experiences that I have been able to.  That’s why I’m proud to step into the arena with TRCP to ensure America’s legacy of habitat management and access is protected and advanced.

Photo credits: Alston Watt


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